Wednesday, December 9, 2009

Discs and gear on the Gateway Underground site

Since Ebay doesn't allow links to information on our site,, we decided to set up the Gateway Underground site with many of the same style listings.
Here we are able to put pictures up and write descriptions without having to worry about inappropriate links and such.
dont see what you want email or ask!

Each listing is numbered and can be purchased through Pay Pal, by emailing or by calling the shop and paying by CC. 314 487 5204.
please include the listing number and your address when you pay for the order.


I really like using the blog style website forlisting products like this.
On this site we have non stock items that are NOT on our order form and price list, like missed stamps, X outs, short prototype runs, dyed discs and much MUCH more!

Sunday, November 15, 2009

Rolla lions club 18 hole championship disc golf course is a GO!!!

On Friday I received word we were awarded the contract for the NEW 18 hole disc golf course going in Lions club Park in Rolla, Missouri.

Even though it wasn't official I felt really good after the presentation a few months back at he lions den and I've spent about 20 hours on the design already,,,,!!!!!!
The park is beautiful and VERY well maintained. The land given for the course has some green grassy areas, a decent amount of elevation and some really SWEET pin locations avaiable.
the course will be a mix of open and woods up hill and down,, with a creek coming into play a few times.

My latest style of course design involves mixing up the height your disc can or should be thrown from hole to hole,,,, keeping PRO players off their rhythm and giving a lot of variety to the course. there will be holes that start in a woods where you have to throw out of a shoot and into a clearing and others where yo throw from the open into the woods.
Other holes will be entirely in the woods with2 styles ( 1 with a just the dead trees and honeysuckle removed and the other with a 20 foot wide fairway cleared for the length of the hole with woods on both sides)
there will be a few side arm & tomahawk holes and of course the traditional David McCormack left to right putter shots of ginesse required!

Once complete this will be one of the nicest courses in the Mid-West and home to some big time events!!

Heres an overhead view of the area and some preliminary holes that have been walked.
right nows there's about 23 or so holes. I wanted to make sure the smaller 7-8 acre area was going to be made available before grinding it down to 18, so the course should wind up with a few par 4s maybe 1 par 5,,, similar to the design at Lindenwood in difficulty.

Saturday, October 31, 2009

Halloween pumpkins

here are a few pumpkins carved up by Keith Amerson and his family!!!

Friday, October 30, 2009

Titan Pro-24 finally approved for pdga play at the championship level.

Today we received final; approval for the Titan Pro-24 disc golf target at the championship level.
The hold-up was due to us waiting for the pdga to change a specification to read measurement of the inside diameter as opposed to outside diameter. This was was changed earlier this year.
The Titan surely meets or accedes all of the requirements to be used at the highest level of play as you can see in the pictures.
Our baskets are made of 1/2 inch cold rolled steel right here in St. Louis Missouri,,,, MADE in AMERICA,,,,is the only way to go!!!!
These baskets are guaranteed against bending and breaking and cost $400.00 per basket,,,,, well worth the extra couple bucks.
18 hole course designs and installations come with up to 300 custom stamped discs and much more.

Brian, Dave, and others,

Gateway Disc Sports recently submitted the Titan Pro-24 for PDGA testing. This target passed all PDGA tests, so I've added it to the list of PDGA-approved targets at the Championship level. This target is now PDGA-approved, although formal certification will be made by the Board of Directors at their next meeting. Test measurements are listed below and a photograph of the target and an updated list of approved targets are attached.

One further note on this target is that slight modifications have been made to the basket since it was sent to the TSC last year for preliminary testing before formal submittal for approval, pending modifications to the PDGA target standards. Consequently, Dave McCormack has agreed to send a sample of the latest version of the Titan Pro-24 to the IDGC by mid-December of this year so that players can use it and so that a change in the maximum size of gaps in the basket can be updated on the list of approved targets. Brian, please provide that data to me when you receive the target from Dave.

Titan Pro-24

Certification No. 09-25

PDGA fee: $350

Testing class determined by the TSC: Championship

Basket Properties

Height above ground: 78 cm

Depth: 23 cm

Inside diameter: 67 cm

Minimum size gaps: 20.5 cm

Number of reps: 12

Frame construction: Galvanized metal

Covering: Absent

Basket absent: No

Deflection Assembly Properties

Maximum width: 53 cm
Number of outer chains: 12
Number of inner chains: 12
Frame construction: Galvanized metal
Top construction: Galvanized metal
Mesh: Absent
Maximum size of gaps on top: 14 cm

Other properties
Target zone height: 51 cm
Width of pole: 4.8 cm
Pole construction: Metal


Jeff Homburg (#1025)

PDGA Technical Standards Chair

Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Friday, October 23, 2009

Here are a few more pics to entice you!!

Ozark Fall Harvest Noon Tomorrow

Theres still plenty of time to pack up your
camping gear and head down to Ozark Mountian for this weekends event.
1st round doesnt start until noon on Saturday and theres also motels within 25 minutes for thos who do not want to camp.
It may have rained all day Yesterday but being a hilly mountain the water drains off very well.
There will be plenty of water in the creeks and lakes and Ive made a few changes to the 2 courses,( making them easier) yeah right!!!!

The courses were looking great and the weather is going to be sunny and near 60 both days.

Here are some pics of Ozark and Akits run,,,,enjoy!!

Thursday, October 15, 2009

Ozark Falll Harvest Next Weekend October 24th & 25th

its time again to camp party and play disc golf on 2 of the hardest and most scenic courses in the world.

Ozark Muuntain par 72 and Akita's Run Par 54

Monday, October 12, 2009

the link to the world rankings is not working

Nikko Locastro
Nate Doss
Josh Anthon
Michael Johansen
Barry Schultz
Dave Feldberg
Avery Jenkins
Ken Climo

Ranked # 1 in the world

With this latest victory at USDGC Nikko jumped from 3rd to 1st in the prime discs world rankings.

here there news release:
Special early edition of the Prime Discs World Rankings. With Nikko's win and Jesper's abysmal (for him) rounds at the USDGC, Nikko leap frogs Nate Doss to claim the #1 spot in the world rankings.

Saturday, October 10, 2009

risk taking pays off ,,,,, to the tune of $15,000.00

Well I only talked to Nikko for a second today,,, but it was enough to hear how excited he was about winning the 2009 USDGC at Winthrop University in Rock Hill South Carolina.

I got an update from Mo Higgins ( this years womens advanced world champion who was watching it on line) stating Nikko was up by 2 with 2 holes t o play and then 15 minutes later,,,,, it was confirmed,,,, Nikko held on to win his first Major championship and the largest single pay day in disc golf history of $15,000.00 plus the $2,000.00 for the NT points series and another $4,000.00 performance bonus from Gateway disc Sports. Not too shabby for a guy using Spirits, Assassins,, Blazes Wizards and his newly found love for the magic as his putter.


Congrats also goes out to Josh Anthon for a scorching 53 during the final round and coming back and getting 3rd!

Tuesday, October 6, 2009

Good luck to all Competitors at this years USDGC

While I was looking around the usdgc website and planet disc golf I saw mention of Nikko and Matt orum.

Here is an excerpt from their site:

The Risk-Takers

The Winthrop Gold course is fraught with hazards and penalties throughout it’s nearly 9800 feet layout. Besides the lake that especially comes into play on holes 5 and 17, the USDGC staff has been quite innovative by installing thousands of feet of string around the course creating narrower fairways and hazards that the players have to consider at almost every turn. Many of the top pros will tell you that their primary objective is to avoid any OBs during the round, but that is clearly easier said than done.

Yet, many of the young guns play such a fearless brand of disc golf, they almost always will go for shots that more experienced veterans may shy away from. Nikko Locastro and Matt Orum and a growing number of others often defy conventional wisdom with their “diesel” style of disc golf. These are the players that may be generally categorized as “risk-takers.” They emanate supreme confidence and a “take no prisoners” approach to almost every shot. Indeed, their talent levels may warrant very aggressive play on most courses in America, but the Winthrop Gold challenge is a far cry from most other courses in America.

One thing we will be watching are the “risk-takers” at this year’s USDGC. It may come down to a single throw, or it may be exemplified throughout an entire round. But what will be most intriguing is whether the aggressive, risky disc golfer will be rewarded with a US Championship this year, or whether the player with one foot on the accelerator and one foot on the brake, when needed, will find their way into the winners

Saturday, October 3, 2009

hole 9 at lindenwood

HOle 9 at lindenwood ( 1 of 4 holes where this lake comes into play)

pictures of course at Lindenwood.

Here are some pics of the forst few holes at lindenwood showing the nice mix.

Looking for somoene to do you tube marketing

We are looking for someone that would like to do You tube marketing for our company.

I have a lot of really cool footage that is in hi-8 that needs to be digitalized and edited for use for producing video clips.

We would also like to produce new footage so, having a nice camera and the skills to work it and edit the footage would be a plus.

Disc Golf related JOB Opportunity::
Must be willing to relocate and travel.
( you do not have to be a good disc golfer for this position :) )

We have had some great responses in our search for Graphic artists, mostly from people who can only work from their own pc.
We are still Looking for someone part of full time to work in the shop that has expereince with cutting and weeding vinyl and knows their way around Illustrator and photo shop.

email or call me on my cell 314 303 1488.

Thursday, October 1, 2009

Midnight Ramblings

So I got an email a little while a go from Stancil Johnson
He is writing a book on disc golf, from what I hear its pretty comprehensive and I think he been working on it for quite a few yares now.

Anyway, he asked a few questions in regards to a technical paper I wrote a few years back.
I started to answer the questions he had and just started rambling away and,,,,,, well here it is hope its interesting to someone

Ok where to start, first off I too have spoken with Peter a few times ( Geoff and Johnny are 2 of my best disc golf buddies)

Peter gave me quite a bit of insight on how much the under cavity is effecting the flight, which is a big reason some of our newer discs have a concave inside rim under the flight plate, specifically where the rim depth meets the flight plate. I’ve noticed the c urrent discs we use this on ( Apache, Warrior and Element maintain their launch velocities much longer, which equates to longer flights.

Combine this with dimple ( Diablo DT) and surface technology ( Illusion, assassin, apache) on the discs and I guarantee we have some of the best performing discs on the market.

I really don’t mind the questions and observations and know exactly what your talking about when you say I have some contradicting terms. Most of anything I have written or you have read is probably not finished material. There is a whole lot I am leaving out with what I have released to the public so far. Basically I produced some information for the public to create some interest and it hoped to be able to write more someday. At some point I will spend the time and develop much more elaborate technical papers on all that I have learned through disc making and test flying as well as the polymer development.

One thing I haven’t gone into great detail is about resistance to turn and gyroscopic procession.

theres still a whole lot to learn about disc geometry and how things like weight distribution from flight plate to wing effect the flight. by effect the flight I mean maintaining launch rotation, the resistance to turn, stabilizing flight during the glide portion of the flight and the fade on deceleration.

I'm fairly certain discs that are MORE gyroscopic will fade more than discs that are less given the same speed and rotations. the thing is the more gyroscopic a disc is the longer it will stay spinning.

(a question was asked about what I call the shape under the parting line on the wing)

Under camber would be the term for the shape or distance from the nose ( or leading edge) to the bead ( or part that would touch the table if it were laid flat). Disc with more under camber than dome ( shape above the parting line or nose) will be more over stable and have more resistance to turn as well.

And yes the opposite is true. If there is less under camber than dome the discs will be easier to turn, but discs will a lot more mass at the rim will fade sooner and harder than those with less ( more centrifugal designs like mid-ranges).

I suspect you will see very few long range drivers ever produced again with large concaved under cambers like a whippet or blaze.

Small amounts of concave here or small beads do a much better job of giving a disc resistance to turn ( HSS high speed stabliility). IMO

You should see our latest disc,, the APache

It has just about equal amounts of dome VS under camber, but a small bead to give it the resistance to turn it needs for high velocity high rotation releases. We also have an unpolished under camber ( with grooves from the cutters) as opposed to a polish surface here. This technology does and incredible job of reducing over all drag on the discs.

We also have the larger radius where the rim depth meets the flight plate to further reduce the drag on the disc as opposed to a tight shoulder that does not allow the air flow out of the cavity as easy.

some could say this trapped air gives the disc more lift but I'd rather see a long range driver maintain its speed as opposed to slowing down because of the added drag.

I could go on and on about how these variables can easily change based on mung or nose trajectory, which can allow more or less air to reach the under camber and subsequently the under cavity.

I’ll give you an example: top pros can throw putters at high trajectories ( 40 plus feet in the air) but they can still be somewhat flat,,,even nose down and fly far,, while some lesser skilled players will put an air bounce or nose up release, even when trying to throw a driver 6 feet of the ground. this shot goes nose up and stalls without getting much distance no matter how hard its thrown.

So much is going on with the flight of a discs its dumbfounding.

Let me explain how many variables there can be for just the throw, never mind the disc shape and/or aerodynamics of the surface.

Here are the factors:

Launch speeds = 0-75 mph

Off axis rotation = smooth as silk or wobbling like a tire missing all but one lug nut.

Rotation = from just about Zero to 2500 ( I would love to test this to see how fast a disc can actually be spun upon release.)

Left and right angle of release ( Hyzer) = with 90 degrees being a flat release a disc can be released from 0 to 90 or from 91- 180 ( EVEN MORE IF YOU COUNT THUMBERS AND OVERHANDS)

Mung angle of release = from a dead flat to really nose down or really nose up. ( not sure of the degrees maybe plus or minus 20 degrees is possible depending on trajectory.)

Trajectory = worm buring or straight up in the air and everything in between. typically a disc is thrown between 3 and 30 feet off the ground.

Wind = up wind, down wind, cross winds basicall fro 12 olclock all the way around back to 12,,, 0 mph or 60 mph,,, all effect a discs flight.

Temperature = freezing cold or burning hot.

humidity and barometric pressure = ok maybe I'm reaching here, but I bet its a variable.

Elevation = 200 feet below sea level ( Badwater Basin) or 10,000 feet at sno-bowll in flaggstaff

Combining all these variable will produce just about an infinite amount of combinations of them, basically no 2 discs can be thrown the same.

Lets assume the following throws are with stable flying discs like a Sabre or Tee bird.

Player 1:

55 MPH with lots of off axis rotation and only 800 rotations per minute. If this guy does not have a nose up hyxer release the discs will turn straight to the right.

Player 2:

45 mph release speed that’s smooth as silk and 1200 rpms will produce a flat flying shot when released with a touch of hyzer and slightly nose up.

Player 3:

45 mph release speed that’s smooth as silk but with 1800 rpms will need more hyzer or more nose up or it will turn over and go to the right.

Player 4:

45 mph release with only 800 rotations per second and a smooth release will need to turn the disc over right out of the hand and it wil probably still hyzer out because of lack of spin.

ok I need some sleep!

LIndenwood coming along really well.

We have been out at Lindenwood a few times in the last week.
Friday we had a Bobcat in the woods making some really cool fairways and greens.
Yesterday me and 4 college students were out doing some hand work and dragging
cut branches off the course.
We played a whole round and I noticed some places the course needed some adjustments.
Heres the latest revisions ( hole # 3 is still not complete as there still working on the grade from the house to the lake.

I'll have some pics of the holes up later today.

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Recent runs of Apache in Evolution

Apache disc art:
Apache profile:
So I finally got out to play a bit yesterday at Creve Coeur.
This is a longer style par 68 course that allows you to actually use the longer flying discs in the bag ( on about 14 holes :) ).

I threw 2-3 drives on just about every hole and was amazed by the speed, control and glide of the Apaches. I was consistently driving 420 plus with a slight hyzer release and a 15-20 foot trajectory and very little movement left or right. The flight patter including fade was VERY VERY tight compared with shots Nikko was throwing with his destroyers. He says he has given up completely on the Boss,,, as they cost him and MOST of his competitors a lot of strokes because of how unpredictable they fly. The Destroyer was the only disc in his bag of Innova that he was throwing longer than me on the hyzer flip and not by much.
On the more open holes where I could get some height and release turned over out of my hand I was matching his Distance within a few yards often out driving him because of the control.

On hole 5 I threw a roller into a tree about 90 feet of the tee. Thinking this direct hit would change the flight characteristic of the disc I left the next 2 drives with the discs a little left, but realized it didnt change the flight at all,,pretty amazing for how hard it hit and I'm not talking about a deflection of a tree,,,it bounce straight back towards me after impact.
Id say this is definitely the best run of evolution plastic we have ever ran!!!

Nikko is on his way to the USDGC Doubles this weekend and the singles championship in 2 weekends.
This will be Nikkos 4th trip to Usdgc ( one time he did not get to play)
Hot off 2 wins in a row and 3 out of his last 4 with his recent Victory at the A tier in Hamilton IL where he hung on for a 1 throw win over Eric McCabe by hitting a downhill 40 footer on hole 17 of the final round and distanced 3rd place finisher Avery Jenkins by 7!

Nikko switched to the Magic a few weeks back and seems to think they require less effort to get into the basket because of the additional glide and added mass on the rim makes them hit and stick.
He is using a RED organic Wizard for lay ups and drives stating" these are really overstable and great into the wind"

Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Lindenwoood lay out version 3

Man this course is coming along,, check it out!

Nikko turns 21 today

OOPs I forgot to tell everyone its Nikkos birthday, the big 21

try rocking out on this for 10 min as a birthday celebration.

Testimonial from a happy customer!!!

I received this email and thought I'd share it with others.

I sent a fllow up email asking "how are the discs working for you"
his response:


Glad you asked. I didn’t want to write back and say these are some of the best putters ever………..but wow the glow wizard you guys threw in and Justin signed (kind of think that has something to do with it!) is my go to putter. I was sold on the clear evo’s but a little to floppy for me in certain situations plus I want to break em out first thing next season. So I found myself relying on the glow from outside the circle and the red soft magic inside 30ft. I have found the magic has more loft (glide??) to stay up where as the wizard will hold most any “laser line” I put it on. I canned a 50ft that I called before release and it just held until it went in. It has been getting dark early and hole 7 at sahm is tucked away so no chance of seeing the basket once you drive I told the guys (2nd shot) I was playing with “I can’t see the basket but listen and we will hear chains…money. Just yesterday hole nine same courses I throw a terrible drive and say to myself this looks like a three. Well I get in my straddle style box putt throw it so hard I kick my self in the butt with my jump putt foot and I am thinking no way!!! Yes way right in. I just raised a fist and keep going. I passed a group that wouldn’t let me through (didn’t say anything just went to the next hole) and I hear one of them say man he just hit that! So I give another fist pump. They keep talking about it and one says rejoice man!!! I just let loose all the way up to the hole spinning and giving fist pumps. Now looking back on that it had to be 60-65ft putt. Not that my putting is as solid as these few stories but I have to think the disc have a lot to do with it. Ever since starting out with a regular evo magic and progressing to the soft wizard and a couple variations of the magic (chalky black proto so sweet) and some organic wizards they have all been solid….but the glo fo sho (tell Justin good call) Sorry about the long story but I love this game and with great unique products and great companies it makes it that much funnier. Thanks a ton for the “Dave deals” and the personal contact. Door is always open in Indiana if you or your players are looking for a place to stay or enjoy the area!!!!

Btw I watch Nikko and the guys on youtube a lot and notice he putts so low almost bringing it to his ankles sideways?? Not that I am trying to change my putt but why is that???

Btw2- the mini’s where awesome. funny I have seen phish 3x this year since their hiatus.Not sure if you are a fan but the mini’s are so right on!!!

Scott Farrell

Walnut Ridge RV Sales

Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Most recent run of Evolution Sabres and a new prototype

We started running the new Evolution plastic in the Sabres Yesterday.
This urethane is the same material we used a few years back in the " nike" Spirits.

This TPU is some of the best material made for producing sporting goods and other products where feel, abbrasion resistance and memory are key!

Over the last few weeks have run this material in all 4 putters, the Spirit, (retooled) Speed Demon, Apaches and now the Sabre.
These runs of discs offer a nice flexible flight plate with a firmness in the rim and a nice grippy surface.

Today during test flights of the Sabres, I threw 2 discs back and forth down the street about 10 times each way ( 20 throws with each).
The results of the testing were GREAT,,,, as the durability was excellent and the feel in the hand as good as anything Ive ever felt.
The 2 discs barely had a scracth on them, even after sliding across the concrete 20 times.
As far as the flight goes these discs were perfectly straight flyers over a wide vareity of speeds.

The past few years of Sabre runs were producing an overstable version and we just couldnt figure out why.
It appears after 10 years of molding the Sabre, Blaze and Demon,,,, a small lip developed on the frame for the insert which didnt allow the stripper ring a chance to seat all the way down. This caused the bead on these discs to be more pronounced and the discs to be more overstable than before.

This current run of sabres ( and one previous run of E demons in the more flexible HPP) has the bead is back to where it was orginally ( about .020 less bead showing or even with the bottom of the wing) and they are MONEY in feel and flight!!!!!.

We will start running the Blaze tomorrow.
The hybird will be discontinued for now.

We have a disc in the works that has been prototyped a few times,, its a flatter top and sharper nose for the Apache with a ST ( surface technolgy) finish on the leading 1" edge of the top.

This should produce a really fast disc and a little more overstable than the Apache, think champ wraithish but with our rounded inside rim where the rim depth meets the flight plate!

Monday, September 14, 2009

Nikko "from the road".

I cant seem to get Nikko's blog set up, so I'll pass long some excerpts from the conversation we just had.

Even though he didnt do so well (5th place) he still loved the course and the event.

He likened the Seneca course to a smaller version of Ozark Mountain.

He is staying with Joe Mela a very good friend of mine and someone Nikko can learn a lot from.
Joe mentioned that Nikko couldnt except the fact that some of the holes were just not meant to duece and made 4's instead of 3's all over the place.

Nikko paid some great compliments to Mike Moser saying he was the best putter he ever played with and could throw straight through the woods without hitting a tree at will.

While he admited his competitors were playing quite well. he just didnt have the putt working at all.
Another big hand to the local club for creating such a nice purse as Nikko took home $700.00 for his 5th place finish!!

Today Joe is taking Nikko back out for a lesson in course management :)

Sunday, September 13, 2009

Lindenwood lay out so far!!

Here is a rough idea on what the lay out will look like.

This is not the final version,, click on the image to view a larger image!

you can even see into the woods!!!!!!!!

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I own and operate Gateway Disc Sports, a disc manufacturing and course design and installation company.