Wednesday, December 9, 2009
Sunday, November 15, 2009
On Friday I received word we were awarded the contract for the NEW 18 hole disc golf course going in Lions club Park in Rolla, Missouri.
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Friday, October 30, 2009
Brian, Dave, and others,
Gateway Disc Sports recently submitted the Titan Pro-24 for PDGA testing. This target passed all PDGA tests, so I've added it to the list of PDGA-approved targets at the Championship level. This target is now PDGA-approved, although formal certification will be made by the Board of Directors at their next meeting. Test measurements are listed below and a photograph of the target and an updated list of approved targets are attached.
One further note on this target is that slight modifications have been made to the basket since it was sent to the TSC last year for preliminary testing before formal submittal for approval, pending modifications to the PDGA target standards. Consequently, Dave McCormack has agreed to send a sample of the latest version of the Titan Pro-24 to the IDGC by mid-December of this year so that players can use it and so that a change in the maximum size of gaps in the basket can be updated on the list of approved targets. Brian, please provide that data to me when you receive the target from Dave.
Certification No. 09-25
PDGA fee: $350
Testing class determined by the TSC: Championship
Height above ground: 78 cm
Depth: 23 cm
Inside diameter: 67 cm
Minimum size gaps: 20.5 cm
Number of reps: 12
Frame construction: Galvanized metal
Basket absent: No
Deflection Assembly Properties
Maximum width: 53 cm
Number of outer chains: 12
Number of inner chains: 12
Frame construction: Galvanized metal
Top construction: Galvanized metal
Maximum size of gaps on top: 14 cm
Target zone height: 51 cm
Width of pole: 4.8 cm
Pole construction: Metal
Jeff Homburg (#1025)
PDGA Technical Standards Chair
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
Well its over and I'm still recovering.
Friday, October 23, 2009
Theres still plenty of time to pack up your camping gear and head down to Ozark Mountian for this weekends event.
Thursday, October 15, 2009
its time again to camp party and play disc golf on 2 of the hardest and most scenic courses in the world.
Monday, October 12, 2009
Saturday, October 10, 2009
Tuesday, October 6, 2009
While I was looking around the usdgc website and planet disc golf I saw mention of Nikko and Matt orum.
The Winthrop Gold course is fraught with hazards and penalties throughout it’s nearly 9800 feet layout. Besides the lake that especially comes into play on holes 5 and 17, the USDGC staff has been quite innovative by installing thousands of feet of string around the course creating narrower fairways and hazards that the players have to consider at almost every turn. Many of the top pros will tell you that their primary objective is to avoid any OBs during the round, but that is clearly easier said than done.
Yet, many of the young guns play such a fearless brand of disc golf, they almost always will go for shots that more experienced veterans may shy away from. Nikko Locastro and Matt Orum and a growing number of others often defy conventional wisdom with their “diesel” style of disc golf. These are the players that may be generally categorized as “risk-takers.” They emanate supreme confidence and a “take no prisoners” approach to almost every shot. Indeed, their talent levels may warrant very aggressive play on most courses in America, but the Winthrop Gold challenge is a far cry from most other courses in America.
One thing we will be watching are the “risk-takers” at this year’s USDGC. It may come down to a single throw, or it may be exemplified throughout an entire round. But what will be most intriguing is whether the aggressive, risky disc golfer will be rewarded with a US Championship this year, or whether the player with one foot on the accelerator and one foot on the brake, when needed, will find their way into the winners
Saturday, October 3, 2009
Thursday, October 1, 2009
Ok where to start, first off I too have spoken with Peter a few times ( Geoff and Johnny are 2 of my best disc golf buddies)
Peter gave me quite a bit of insight on how much the under cavity is effecting the flight, which is a big reason some of our newer discs have a concave inside rim under the flight plate, specifically where the rim depth meets the flight plate. I’ve noticed the c urrent discs we use this on ( Apache, Warrior and Element maintain their launch velocities much longer, which equates to longer flights.
Combine this with dimple ( Diablo DT) and surface technology ( Illusion, assassin, apache) on the discs and I guarantee we have some of the best performing discs on the market.
I really don’t mind the questions and observations and know exactly what your talking about when you say I have some contradicting terms. Most of anything I have written or you have read is probably not finished material. There is a whole lot I am leaving out with what I have released to the public so far. Basically I produced some information for the public to create some interest and it hoped to be able to write more someday. At some point I will spend the time and develop much more elaborate technical papers on all that I have learned through disc making and test flying as well as the polymer development.
One thing I haven’t gone into great detail is about resistance to turn and gyroscopic procession.
theres still a whole lot to learn about disc geometry and how things like weight distribution from flight plate to wing effect the flight. by effect the flight I mean maintaining launch rotation, the resistance to turn, stabilizing flight during the glide portion of the flight and the fade on deceleration.
I'm fairly certain discs that are MORE gyroscopic will fade more than discs that are less given the same speed and rotations. the thing is the more gyroscopic a disc is the longer it will stay spinning.
(a question was asked about what I call the shape under the parting line on the wing)
(a question was asked about what I call the shape under the parting line on the wing)
Under camber would be the term for the shape or distance from the nose ( or leading edge) to the bead ( or part that would touch the table if it were laid flat). Disc with more under camber than dome ( shape above the parting line or nose) will be more over stable and have more resistance to turn as well.
And yes the opposite is true. If there is less under camber than dome the discs will be easier to turn, but discs will a lot more mass at the rim will fade sooner and harder than those with less ( more centrifugal designs like mid-ranges).
I suspect you will see very few long range drivers ever produced again with large concaved under cambers like a whippet or blaze.
Small amounts of concave here or small beads do a much better job of giving a disc resistance to turn ( HSS high speed stabliility). IMO
You should see our latest disc,, the APache
It has just about equal amounts of dome VS under camber, but a small bead to give it the resistance to turn it needs for high velocity high rotation releases. We also have an unpolished under camber ( with grooves from the cutters) as opposed to a polish surface here. This technology does and incredible job of reducing over all drag on the discs.
We also have the larger radius where the rim depth meets the flight plate to further reduce the drag on the disc as opposed to a tight shoulder that does not allow the air flow out of the cavity as easy.
some could say this trapped air gives the disc more lift but I'd rather see a long range driver maintain its speed as opposed to slowing down because of the added drag.
I could go on and on about how these variables can easily change based on mung or nose trajectory, which can allow more or less air to reach the under camber and subsequently the under cavity.
I’ll give you an example: top pros can throw putters at high trajectories ( 40 plus feet in the air) but they can still be somewhat flat,,,even nose down and fly far,, while some lesser skilled players will put an air bounce or nose up release, even when trying to throw a driver 6 feet of the ground. this shot goes nose up and stalls without getting much distance no matter how hard its thrown.
So much is going on with the flight of a discs its dumbfounding.
Let me explain how many variables there can be for just the throw, never mind the disc shape and/or aerodynamics of the surface.
Here are the factors:
Launch speeds = 0-75 mph
Off axis rotation = smooth as silk or wobbling like a tire missing all but one lug nut.
Rotation = from just about Zero to 2500 ( I would love to test this to see how fast a disc can actually be spun upon release.)
Left and right angle of release ( Hyzer) = with 90 degrees being a flat release a disc can be released from 0 to 90 or from 91- 180 ( EVEN MORE IF YOU COUNT THUMBERS AND OVERHANDS)
Mung angle of release = from a dead flat to really nose down or really nose up. ( not sure of the degrees maybe plus or minus 20 degrees is possible depending on trajectory.)
Trajectory = worm buring or straight up in the air and everything in between. typically a disc is thrown between 3 and 30 feet off the ground.
Wind = up wind, down wind, cross winds basicall fro 12 olclock all the way around back to 12,,, 0 mph or 60 mph,,, all effect a discs flight.
Temperature = freezing cold or burning hot.
humidity and barometric pressure = ok maybe I'm reaching here, but I bet its a variable.
Elevation = 200 feet below sea level ( Badwater Basin) or 10,000 feet at sno-bowll in flaggstaff
Combining all these variable will produce just about an infinite amount of combinations of them, basically no 2 discs can be thrown the same.
Lets assume the following throws are with stable flying discs like a Sabre or Tee bird.
55 MPH with lots of off axis rotation and only 800 rotations per minute. If this guy does not have a nose up hyxer release the discs will turn straight to the right.
45 mph release speed that’s smooth as silk and 1200 rpms will produce a flat flying shot when released with a touch of hyzer and slightly nose up.
45 mph release speed that’s smooth as silk but with 1800 rpms will need more hyzer or more nose up or it will turn over and go to the right.
We have been out at Lindenwood a few times in the last week.
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Glad you asked. I didn’t want to write back and say these are some of the best putters ever………..but wow the glow wizard you guys threw in and Justin signed (kind of think that has something to do with it!) is my go to putter. I was sold on the clear evo’s but a little to floppy for me in certain situations plus I want to break em out first thing next season. So I found myself relying on the glow from outside the circle and the red soft magic inside 30ft. I have found the magic has more loft (glide??) to stay up where as the wizard will hold most any “laser line” I put it on. I canned a 50ft that I called before release and it just held until it went in. It has been getting dark early and hole 7 at sahm is tucked away so no chance of seeing the basket once you drive I told the guys (2nd shot) I was playing with “I can’t see the basket but listen and we will hear chains…money. Just yesterday hole nine same courses I throw a terrible drive and say to myself this looks like a three. Well I get in my straddle style box putt throw it so hard I kick my self in the butt with my jump putt foot and I am thinking no way!!! Yes way right in. I just raised a fist and keep going. I passed a group that wouldn’t let me through (didn’t say anything just went to the next hole) and I hear one of them say man he just hit that! So I give another fist pump. They keep talking about it and one says rejoice man!!! I just let loose all the way up to the hole spinning and giving fist pumps. Now looking back on that it had to be 60-65ft putt. Not that my putting is as solid as these few stories but I have to think the disc have a lot to do with it. Ever since starting out with a regular evo magic and progressing to the soft wizard and a couple variations of the magic (chalky black proto so sweet) and some organic wizards they have all been solid….but the glo fo sho (tell Justin good call) Sorry about the long story but I love this game and with great unique products and great companies it makes it that much funnier. Thanks a ton for the “Dave deals” and the personal contact. Door is always open in
Btw I watch
Btw2- the mini’s where awesome. funny I have seen phish 3x this year since their hiatus.Not sure if you are a fan but the mini’s are so right on!!!
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Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Monday, September 14, 2009
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- the link to the world rankings is not working
- Ranked # 1 in the world
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- Good luck to all Competitors at this years USDGC
- hole 9 at lindenwood
- pictures of course at Lindenwood.
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